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Some Bacteria make you Fat, some Thin
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shandym
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 Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 17:22

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Does the same thing apply for people who "gain" weight during illness?

I have always been thin, but since becoming ill I have put on a lot of weight and cannot take it off even when I barely eat.

I always though being as ill as I am that I would be "thin" or even thinner than I always have been.....Instead I am 50 pounds over weight now.

I hate it. :X

Last edited on Wed Apr 30th, 2008 17:23 by shandym



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 Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 17:35

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I believe that is a yes. However, as Amy quoted Trevor about the level of uncertainty at the moment it isn't near the point of being understood. I'm sure some people are able to stabilize weight or weight loss with the use of Benicar, but others may not.

Amy,
Thanks for the link skinny girl! Provides some insight for sure. I guess I will continue with my mega huge calorie diet, knowing that some day i'll actually gain some weight and have to watch it :) I think that situation will be better anyway because it seems that when I don't eat enough food I feel drained. I'd rather not have to continually eat like a cow and actually have fuel reserves.



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 Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 16:58

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Two interesting articles on the BBC Health pages recently. Both relating to research into obesity and both linking this to inflamation and the immune system.


Obesity ‘lifts inflammation risk’

New twist in brain obesity riddle



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 Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 05:47

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I love these studies (NOT) that keep making one symptom be the cause of another symptom.  Obesity causes blah, blah, blah, just like low Vit D causes blah, blah, blah.

My response to these "scientists": yada, yada, yada.

Claire

Last edited on Fri Oct 24th, 2008 05:48 by eClaire



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 Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 14:27

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Thank you Claire :D:P:)

you made my morning......long time and alot happening with no talk....I'm sorry.

 I had a lot of BLAH BLAH YADA YADA to sift through. How are you besides my morning light today?

missing you today:?
Love to you Dear Claire

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 Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 21:59

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I'm glad you got a laugh.  When you read the science news, if you're not laughing, you're bound to be crying most of the time.  I picked this quotation up from the Lifestyles quotation thread and have it in my personal emails:  "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on."  Winston Churchill

It seems when it comes to medical research, the truth can be staring folk right in the face and they make a big production of the detour they are taking instead.  Least wise, they ought to be able to see that they are just making a bunch of hooey over a detour.

Claire




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 Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 09:38

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Beatrice, have you had a chance to have a look at the videos of the Porto presentations? I think they will help you understand where our MP science is at the moment.

I have just got back from a conference on "Beneficial Microbes." I think you will be amazed to see the way that our microbial load changes the entire way that our body operates. The NIH estimates that only 10% of the cells in our body are human cells, and 90% are bacterial. Look here: http://nihroadmap.nih.gov/hmp/

The keynote presentation at the microbes conference was Jeremy Nicholson, head of Biological Chemistry at Imperial College, London. He reminded us all that pharmaceutical drugs work differently in different populations, and that various populations are indeed made different by the microbiota they carry. He believes that drugs tested in India and Romania are going to work quite differently when they are used in the US, UK and Western Europe. He believes this will spell disaster for Medicine, as we know it. All the work of tens of thousands of scientists, and hundreds of clinical trials, will be defeated by something nobody has noticed until now - the bugs we all carry around with us. Here is one of his slides:



This plots the urine metabolome of three nationalities, a snapshot of how all the bacterial metabolite products, they which excrete in their urine, maps onto a display space.

About 50 of these Japanese subjects moved to the USA, and they assumed the USA metabolome, you can see a few inside the mass of US subject data.

The whole world is changing, and much faster than anybody expected....

..Trevor..

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 Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 03:53

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Dr. Trevor Marshall,

What is the meaning of position on the display space in Jeremy Nicholson's slide? That is, how are the x and y axes defined?

Ken



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