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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 03:39 |
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Coffee would add an element of instability from day to day that would make things tough. That's why we suggest everybody pares right back to the Benicar and abx. It's tough to balance them to give the right level of immunopathology, and downright impossible if you add any more variables (IMO)
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madwolf
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Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 03:42 |
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Sigh.
I'll start cutting back. It will take a while to get to zero.
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kess3881
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Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 18:15 |
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| is there any way you can check olive oil for any immunosuppresant properties? ive always been suspicious about it.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 18:43 |
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| Not any that I can think of right now. I will keep it in mind as we move forward.
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Claudia
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Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 12:45 |
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oh, please, PLEASE don't find anything wrong with olive oil !!!
There are some things, like Motherhood, Swiss chocolate and olive oil, that are sacrosanct. We've given up apple pie. That's the epitome of sacrifice.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 16:01 |
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| Since everyone is in an asking mood, what about this new thing the media has been bleating about recently? Forskolin. It seems to be getting combined with antibiotic therapy to clear tough bladder infections. For those of us with considerable bladder involvement, it's something to wonder about. Any genomic data available on this compound yet?
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 16:44 |
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Knochen,
Forskolin enhances cAMP, which underlies the PKA signalling pathway through which several enzyme systems are enabled, including the CYP27B1 enzyme which converts 25-D to 1,25-D. Increasing CYP27B1 will not help folk with Th1 disease, they already have too much 1,25-D due to a dysfunctional VDR. Benicar makes the VDR competent again.
Summary:
There is a difference between healthy mice and sick people
See? It's soooo simple....
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Knochen
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Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 17:59 |
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Benicar makes the VDR competent again.
Boy, if it ever gets around at work that I am incompetent all the way down to the cellular level, it's gonna take a long time to live it down.
Thanks for the rundown on forskolin. That's why we ask the experts! I figured it would come up on the board eventually.
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Moxie
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 03:07 |
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I see an article in my local paper today stating that cocoa could be good for lowering blood pressure. http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/167/7/626
I wonder how that fits with our usual low blood pressure symptoms? After tea and coffee and chlorogenic acid, cocoa was sounding pretty good to me!!
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 03:12 |
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Moxie,
I drink a lot of (Quality) Dutch cocoa, and have done all through recovery. I doubt it does any harm, and the warm boost it gives to one's morale is often immeasurable.
Do be careful if you use powdered milk in the cocoa mix. Even in Oz the powdered milk is 'fortified' with Vitamin D. In the US you can get unfortified powdered milk from
http://tinyurl.com/ys2bas
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 07:46 |
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| What to drink cocoa with if milk is prohibited ? Raw ? For now i drink it raw Last edited on Sun Apr 15th, 2007 07:48 by wrotek
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 13:03 |
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| unfortified rice milk
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 13:41 |
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| Rice milk ? Never heard of it. Every food is in America isn't it
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 13:45 |
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A little bit of unfortified powdered milk in cocoa will probably not hurt you...
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IngeD
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 16:43 |
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The Diploma skim milk powder I bought here in Australia states: No preservatives; no additives; and as ingredient it just says : Sim Milk.
Can I assume that this means it is not fortified?
Also...the rice milk and oat milk for sale in Australia has sunflower oil added so not a good milk replacement.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 16:45 |
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Wait a minute - what's wrong with apple pie made (by me) with unfortified flour and organic butter? Not every day of course, but at holidays. Is it the apples?
I know this isn't a really important issue, but it's the one dessert I can make without any sugar.
Thank you, Kathleen
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 17:23 |
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Everything is OK in moderation, Kathleen. the cooking might reduce the 'acidity' of apples, in any case. Additionally, a lot of the chlorogenic acid is just under the skin (to protect the fruit from intruders, I guess).
Good Heavens! We have to leave 'Motherhood and Apple Pie' intact
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 17:58 |
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I see there is a lot of alternatives for cacao
I never liked eating apples with the skin, always removed it.
Does Chlorogenic acid is an ingredient responsible for coffee acidic taste which some people don't like very much ?
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 18:48 |
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No idea, sorry, Wrotek.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 21:15 |
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To Trevor re your posting of Jan 28 '07 at 16:48 about your use of Splenda (Sucralose) sweetener.
[In my daily cocoa cup, I use stevia with inulin or with maltodextrin]
I always felt uneasy about the chlorine atom substituting for a carbon atom in the Splenda molecule. What I saw at mercola.com gives me even more concernLast edited on Sun Apr 15th, 2007 21:37 by
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