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Markt9452
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 04:03 |
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Big story about Vitamin D again on the Canadian National News tonight. I'm going to guess that more than a few million Canadian viewers were watching this piece of tripe.
Here is the web version.... http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/06/09/vitamin-d.html
The article references a study published Monday in the Archives of Internal Medicine but does not name the study. Not very journalistic. And just for affect they drop the name Harvard.
Interestingly enough if you read the comments at the bottom of the page most of them are negative. People are obviously not buying this crap anymore.
"...For all we know, this study was funded by the natural health industry and is looking to advertise vitamin D because sales are down."
I believe this is true as every Canadian news story I have seen about this prominantly displays "Jamieson" Vitamins. It's always ....Jamieson.
"...Who is hyping these silly studies to the media?"
I'm pretty sure it is the Vitamin D Council, Canadian Cancer Society, Dairy Council and Jamieson Vitamins. I'm starting to think these organizations may have some inside influence with our Government Television network.
"...I agree with the above comments that the outcomes of these studies may be misconstrued as suggesting that Vit D may be the "miracle drug" for what ails you..."
and here is my favorite coment
"Oh! for god's sake . enough of this silly stuff.
get off ya ass and eat what great granny told ya mom.
and don't get sun burned..."
I couldn't have said it better myself.
If you want - You can go there and leave your own comment. You don't have to be Canadian so go ahead - It's OK
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/06/09/vitamin-d.html
Last edited on Tue Jun 10th, 2008 04:04 by Markt9452
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Chris
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 04:18 |
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And, for another take on why just having the science right is not enough:
Lyme treatment accord ends antitrust probe
Contentious issues remain over long-term versus short-term antibiotic use and whether this condition can be chronic.
One of the contentious issues was: "undisclosed financial interests held by several of the most powerful IDSA panelists."
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Markt9452
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 04:43 |
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"undisclosed financial interests...." That does seem to be the pattern Chris.
Somebody should do an antitrust investigation at the Canadian Cancer Society.
They might uncover some financial interests with Board members and Chemical, Pharmaceutical, Food companies that sell vitamin D products such as Campbell Soup Company.
Last edited on Tue Jun 10th, 2008 08:08 by Markt9452
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Markt9452
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 03:45 |
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The CBC today has this story on tonights news.
Unnecessary vitamin D tests create lab backlogs
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2008/06/25/vitmain-testing.html
Yes - Its true - Since all that new research has come out that proves the link between low levels of Vitamin D and disease has come out - The labs are now getting swarmed with requests for Vitamin D tests and they don't like it.
Endocrinologist Christopher Kovacs suggests that rather than wasting the labs time with all those silly Vitamin D test - we should all just take Vitamin D supplements instead.
Personally I think this guy has been watching too much TV - probably the CBC
"If you're concerned about your vitamin D level, go on a supplement for several months then check the level to see if you need more than that. If we did that, it would really cut down on a lot of the current requests." Endocrinologist Christopher Kovacs - Health Sciences Centre - St. John's
When I first read this statement - well it just appeared reckless and stupid - but if you examine it a bit closer he is advocating supplementation as a solution for overworked labs but then he wants you to go and get a lab test after a few months to check your level?
Last edited on Thu Jun 26th, 2008 05:30 by Markt9452
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Markt9452
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 04:03 |
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I was wrong when I said that a propensity for watching CBC television was responsible for Mr. Kovacs attitude towards Vitamin D supplementation.
I apologize.
In fact - Mr. Kovacs does seem to be somewhat of a Vitamin D expert as revealed by a bit of googleing...
Here he is appearing at a Conference giving a presentation about Vitamin D.
http://www.med.mun.ca/pdcs/professional_development/cme/WAN_archives.asp
Oh and another one here - http://vitamindandhealth.od.nih.gov/agenda.aspx
and here - http://www.mun.ca/marcomm/gazette/issues/vol37no17/papers.php
Actually he is the author of - The Vitamin D Receptor is not Required for Fetal Mineral Homeostasis or for the Regulation of Placental Calcium Transfer in Mice, published in the American Journal of Physiology Endocrinology and Metabolism 2005;289(1):E133-E144.
Last edited on Thu Jun 26th, 2008 04:06 by Markt9452
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Sunset
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 06:01 |
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Markt9452 wrote:
"If you're concerned about your vitamin D level, go on a supplement for several months then check the level to see if you need more than that. If we did that, it would really cut down on a lot of the current requests." Endocrinologist Christopher Kovacs - Health Sciences Centre - St. John's
When I first read this statement - well it just appeared reckless and stupid - but if you examine it a bit closer he is advocating supplementation as a solution for overworked labs but then he wants you to go and get a lab test after a few months to check your level?
This is like a doctor saying to someone who suspects s/he may have diabetes, "Well....just use some insulin over the next few months, then check back with me to see how you are doing, then maybe I'll send you for lab work or suggest that you test you blood glucose daily."
IMO, This type of thinking in the medical community is just insane! As my wise grandfather use to day "It's like putting the cart in front of the horse!"
If this is what the medical community is promoting now, then why do people need to seek out their advice? Apparently, now we all have the ability to diagnose and treat diseases on our own, no lab work or MD assistance needed!
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Markt9452
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 00:15 |
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Just so there is no confusion about what I wrote above I am saying that Mr. Kovacs is recommending Vitamin D supplementation as a solution to the problem of medical labs receiving too many requests for vitamin D tests.
Mr Kovacs also recommends getting your Vitamin D tests done after a few months of supplementation. This combination of supplementation and future D tests will help the overworked labs decrease their vitamin D tests.
Mr Kovacs uses gene knockout mouse models in his research to make conclusions about the human VDR even though we know that the mouse and human VDR's are not the same.
Also - the above apology that I made was to the CBC - not Mr. Kovacs. who is clearly taking advantage of the problem of overworked labs in order to promote vitamin D supplementation.
Mr Kovacs is a very respected member of the medical community and his Curriculum Vitae is most impressive.
The reasoning that he is uses to conclude that increased supplementation followed by D tests at a later date in order to reduce lab tests uses a form of logic that I am not familiar with and I am forced to consider other motivations for his statements.
Mr Kovacs research is funded by the Dairy Farmers of Canada.
Last edited on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 00:17 by Markt9452
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 02:43 |
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Even the most "well informed" health providers are susceptible to offering bad medical advice. IMO, any doctor who recommends a patient start hormone supplementation with "vitamin D” without ordering labs for both the 25-D and 1,25-D levels beforehand is not "well informed” and is not providing sound medical advice. My guess is that most people who start supplementing do initially feel better. This creates a dilemma for someone who starts supplementing, initially feels better, and only then starts to feel worse after a few months on "Vit D". He may not make the connection between his declining health and the "Vit D" use. What poses a greater risk to this same person is if his MD is not aware of the type of "Vit D" dysregulation that occurs in inflammatory health conditions and the doctor assumes that testing just the 25-D level is sufficient to recommend supplementation.
In my personal experience my own physician, whom I believed to be well informed started me on "Vit D" solely based on my 25-D labs, which he considered to be low (initial test was 23 ng/mL). I followed his advice, taking 2000 IU daily for over a year. Initially, I started to feel much better, several months later though I started feeling quite lousy again. Every time my doctor checked my 25-D levels he was surprised that they were still low, although these levels were increasing slightly each time tested. Well in the long run, he finally put me on Vitamin D 50,000 IU once a week. I could only tolerate this dose for about 3 weeks before I felt like my body was about to "crash".
I now realize that my initial response to the "Vit D" treatment was probably a decrease in my innate immune function as a result of supplementing, which resulted in fewer immunopathology symptoms. But long-term use of "Vit D" left me in worse condition than before I had started supplementing.
When I found the MP site here and read about how important testing a person's 1,25-D levels is when an immune health condition is present, I gave this information to my doctor. He was a bit skeptical initially that I could possibly have hypervitamin D, despite all my symptoms I was experiencing because my 25-D levels were still "low", but he did agree to test my 25-D along with my 1,25-D levels.
Well the results of those tests after a year supplementing with "Vit D" were 25-D 48 ng/mL and 1,25-D 70 
I provided him with a lot of MP site information, and he subsequently agreed to let my try the MP. My sense is that he is still skeptical about the science behind the MP, but at least he is willing to let me try it.
My hope is that my own experience with the MP, should my health start to improve, will help guide his choices in treating other patients in his practice who present with immune conditions and "low" 25-D levels.
IMO, healthcare providers MUST realize that "Vit D" supplementation can be dangerous to use with some patients. This will only happen when enough health professionals stop thinking of "Vit D" as a vitamin. It is clearly NOT a vitamin; it is a potent seco-steroid hormone. This is the hurdle that we all need to get over before the scientific research on one's "D" levels, immune function and resulting disease states is accepted in mainstream medicine.
SunsetLast edited on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 03:21 by Sunset
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