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Are changes in hair and nails common in Th1 diseases?
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Meg Mangin R.N.
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 Posted: Sun Nov 12th, 2006 00:32

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Does the disease process or the MP cause hair and/or nail changes?


Hair loss and color

Hair loss is very common in Th1 disease (it is made even worse by medications such as prednisone).

Dr Alan Cantwell, MD (dermatologist) reports that the CWD bacteria love sweat glands and hair follicles. Please see Dr. Cantwell's paper at http://tinyurl.com/9yxxq

Your hair and 1,25-D are closely coupled:
http://tinyurl.com/cvlkf

Hair growth is closely related to the VDR and 1,25-D.
http://mend.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/me.2004-0415v1

This article makes a close connection between alopecia and psoriasis, which the MP has been determined to resolve.

See Changes resulting from changes in 1,25D-hydroxyvitamin-D

Members' experiences

-My hair stopped falling out and going grey! The new regrowth is my childhood colour!!!!!!!! ~Grazyna

-My hair grows much faster now.  I always wanted it to grow grow grow and it just sort of sat there, now it grows super fast. ~Natalie17

-Yes, hair and the lack of it where I want it (top front of my head) has been a big favorite with me and my disease.
Cosmetics and hair pieces or a wig can help you feel better about your self image while on the MP, a good hat works too. ~jrfoutin

-Okay, I hadn't thought of this until a neighbor of mine starting losing clumps of hair in the shower and went to the doctor. She now takes Zoloft for too much stress which is 'supposedly' causing the hair loss. This person, too, has a lot of sinus trouble and has some back pain. Probably a th1 inflammation sufferer just like the rest of us.

Behold!! I also have been losing hair in the shower for years. I have plenty of hair to go around, but it doesn't mean I want to lose it all to this disease. I'm thinking
th1 inflammation is the cause. I do not lose clumps, but a small circle of hair, about half the size of my palm. Every day this happens when I wash my hair. ~Mindy 

-One of the "moments of healing" for me was one morning in 2002 when I woke up and couldn't feel my hair anymore. Prior to this Liz had to cut my hair, as I was too jumpy at the barber's shop, and couldn't handle the transient pain. But one morning I woke up and realized that I couldn't feel my hair anymore. Well, I could feel it, but it didn't hurt in any way to run my fingers through it, or bend, shape, and mangle it. After being assured that was 'normal,' I settled back to enjoy another of the pleasures I had been missing all my life :) ..Trevor..

-My hair is still coming out a little more than usual.  My scalp feels tender and, though it's not particularly hot, it feels like heat is radiating from it. ~TickTock

-I have been trying to define what this hair pain and head pain actually feel like. Just barely touching the hair gives the same sensation as a blow to the head.. so it is shocking and disconcerting.. scalp has some itch as well, so the touching is more careful now. ~Aussie Barb

-I seem to be growing hair on my head WHERE NONE HAS EXISTED FOR QUITE SOME TIME ... HAIR ON MY HEAD STILL GROWING ,THE WAY IT IS GOING I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF I END UP WITH A FULL HEAD OF HAIR. ~vda51

-I am watching my (thyroid) antibody count drop as I progress on the MP. I've been on the MP for almost a year now. My Thyroid itself has been herxing...... as I have noted at the start of each phase: my TSH jumped. That went along with pain and swelling in my throat and hair-loss, which was a hypo-thyroid symptom. Then it levelled out as my body progressed through the phases. The hair-loss is something I've come to expect and it grows back each time - giving an interesting natural "layered" effect! HaHaHa ~Claudia

-I've noticed in the past few months that my hair hardly falls out at all - not even the normal everyday fallout you're supposed to have. Pre-MP, I had episodes of losing handfuls a day (generally with bouts of MCS). But even on "good" days, there was always a goodly amount left in the brush or shower. Now? Barely anything falls out, even when brushed hard. Hair is getting thicker as a result and also seems to be growing more quickly than it used to.~Alayne

-My hairdresser and I have noted that since I've been on the MP, my hair is thicker. I used to lose it in little clumps due to papulonodular scalp lesions.~Meg

-I have also seemed to lose hair in fluctuating cycles. Well...actually I haven't lost it. Its in my brush. I have noticed that there have been periods when my brush takes a lot, and other times much less. I just assumed this was due to fluctuating metabolism and hormones due to the Th1, and changes brought about by the MP. I think my hair may have initially thinned on the MP, but like Meg, it now seems to be thickening up again. ~DaveW

-I am happy to report that I no longer feel "hair pain" as I call it.  That sensation really irritated me - it didn't really hurt so bad as it was just such an annoying pain.  But a few months ago, it stopped. ~FeatherRiver

-Mobile home hairdresser also came: had to trim the small amount of longer hair that was left after the hair loss. my hair is growing back "soft like baby's hair" says hairdresser. is very short, but strong. ~AB

Hair Color KenC: Is anyone else loosing their gray hair?

Jigsaw in phase 1 Have others had white hair go dark?

interview of Sue Andorn: "I have very little grey hair and the new hair that is growing in is black rather than grey." http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/22/interview3/

You may also want to read posts by Carole, wytnez and JudyBeauty in MARSHALL PROTOCOL SUCCESS STORIES because they talk about their hair loss when ill and how this aspect changed in their recovery.

-Also, have a "symptom" to take off my list, which I never had put on the list since I thought it was normal. Last month when it was time to do the roots of my hair to cover grey, I couldn't see any grey. I thought I was losing my ability to see color. Great. So, I finally had someone else look at it for me, and they could not see any grey either! Also, the non-grey roots which had become increasingly dark the past few years, were close to my normal blonde color, they were a dirty blonde, I could barely tell the difference from them and the color I've been using. I am keeping my eyes open for the next time around, need to double check and see if it happens again! ~CFSgirl

-I just wanted to let you know that as you progress hair loss balances out.  Two of my daughters used to lose hair until they had noticeable thinning spots when they had too many chemical exposures for too long.  Both young women now have lush healthy heads of hair. 

Also, my fella was thinning terribly prior to the MP and once comfortably into phase 1, his hair not only grew back in so he stopped looking so much like his half bald father, but the hair that came back was much thicker also.  He was also white haired like Santa Claus and now he is salt and pepper with some red coming back in.

My hair was dry and brittle, plus thinning prior to the MP and as I've moved along it has become thick and healthy.  It's also changing colour to lovely red/grey/gold tones.  I'm thrilled. ~Juanita

Nails

Longitudinal lines in the nails may be due to aging, psoriasis or a fungal nail infection. It's a good idea to observe the nails because they can provide clues to systemic disease, as discussed in this article from the American Family Physician.

The Mayo Clinic offers information about nail ridges - and a photo - at this link.


Members' experiences

- I have noticed that my toenails on both feet are changing.  I have had diabetes for 46 years and I have deep ridges in great toes but, the ridges are disappearing and the nails are becoming smoother.  I think this is SIGNIFICANT for a long time insulin dependent diabetic.  Any one else notice this?  I have NEVER heard of this! ~ Debbie Y

- my fingernails have vertical ridges along with the horizontal ridges - growing out. ~AB

-The finger nail problems you describe are very common with psoriatic arthritis. My fingernails have looked the way you describe for many years, long before I got sick. Mine aren't so angled as they are wavy. Sometimes these problems are associated with fungus and go away with rather strong medication (that would clearly not be permitted with the protocol). Sometimes people actually lose their nails--simply shed them. I lost one a year ago and to my amazement a perfect one grew back. I'm quite proud of it.Everything about it is perfect. Might be the first small physical improvement I've experienced in several years. ~Jim

-I'm not exactly sure when mine appeared, but I have many, fine ridges running lengthwise on all my fingernails which are easily felt and seen.  I have wondered myself whether or not they may be connected to this illness. Brad has always had some ridges but they are noticibly worse.(very rough) ~Paulette

-My experience has been that my nail ridges are much less obvious now than pre-MP. Back then, I used to get inflammation and lots of tiny blisters behind my cuticles and then deep ridges in my nails as a result. ~Belinda

-I've had those ridges in my nails for several years before I got sick. I was in my 20's so I don't think age is the reason. ~CFSgirl

-I HAVE ALSO NOTICED HEAVY RIDGES OR LINES HAVE APPEARED ALONG THE LENGTH OF MY NAILS,NOT ON THE OUTER EDGES BUT TOWARD THE MIDDLE,MY NAILS SEEM STRONGER AND AT THE SAME TIME FLEXABLE,BUT THE RIDGE RIDDLE I HAVE NO ANSWER TO ~vda51

-I, too, have ridges in most all of my fingernials.  There appears to be no fungal problem.

I can remember that I had nice smooth nails when I was younger, before roughly the time when I got bit by my first tick.  My ridges developed over much time, slowly.  Not really sure when they started.  But they certainly showed up as my disease increased in severity. ~Dark Vader (aka, George)

-I have vertical ridges on my nails that have "worsened" on the MP. Three nails that were ridge-free, are now ridged as well. I don't think it has to do much with aging, unless the aging has to do with intracellular bacteria wreaking havoc in the body. So I'm blaming the ridges on the bacteria in the meantime. :) Time will tell...! Alayne 2006

-Just wanted to say a couple of months later that my nails continue to increasingly ridge. My thumbnails were relatively ridge-free as of my last post here 2 months ago. They've grown quite ridged and uneven since then. Pain free herx? :) If vertical ridges were all I had to worry about...what a world it would be! :D ~Alayne

-Yes, my nails were always fine before I became ill with (Hashimoto's) autoimmune thyroiditis. Then suddenly they got very brittle, with deep ridges. I guess it is the lack of thyroid hormone which causes this. I suffered a lot of hair loss which has been reversed with thyroxine, but sadly my nails haven't recovered.  I wonder if the MP can fix my nails too? :) ~Claudia

-I can not remember when I had vertical lines on my nails since I always had them I though it was normal. ~Ramzi70

-I don't think ridges on nails have anything to do with ageing either, as I am 27 and have always seemed to have ridges on my nails. They run from the base (cuticle) to the tip of the nail, though sometimes they look slightly cross-hatched, not just straight lines. ~Lantern

-I noticed this week that the nail ridges have all but disappeared from my right hand and are substantially lessened on my left hand. ~Desert Marie

-Yes, I have noticed my nails are much stronger. ~Aunt Diana

-I had to cut my nails recently because they were too long...that's the first time in several years. They would usually break or split. Definitely healthier. ~DNStog

-I too have fine lines in my nails,, no fungus.~weepingsparrow

-When I got to Phase 2 of the MP, the ridges disappeared from my fingernails. (I never got to Phase 3 because of moving and the changes from Medicare D, which eliminated my drug coverage from Medicaid, which had formerly paid for Benicar.) Since I have been off the MP for about a year, ridges have returned, worse than before. I just got back on Phase 1 and I expect the ridges will eventually disappear again. ~Lily

-I too have had these since my teens on each nail; they are pearlized (like tiny little droplets making up the ridges).  In my 20s, they would turn purple underneath and become very painful.  (But no sign of fungus.)  For years now, pre-MP my nails have chipped and broken off before I could cut them, splitting from the side and down the ridges. ~eClaire

Last edited on Wed Nov 5th, 2008 05:37 by Meg Mangin R.N.



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